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		<title>By: &#187; IE vs. Firefox - care este cel mai sigur browser ? &#187; Blitz - Stiri zilnice din IT, IT&#38;C: tehnologie, internet, telecom, gadgets, jocuri &#187; Stiri IT - Blitz RO</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; IE vs. Firefox - care este cel mai sigur browser ? &#187; Blitz - Stiri zilnice din IT, IT&#38;C: tehnologie, internet, telecom, gadgets, jocuri &#187; Stiri IT - Blitz RO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] raportului au fost imediat disputate de Mike Shaver de la Mozilla, care a afirmat ca &#8220;doar pentru ca dentistii repara mai multi [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] raportului au fost imediat disputate de Mike Shaver de la Mozilla, care a afirmat ca &#8220;doar pentru ca dentistii repara mai multi [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Críticas entre Microsoft y Mozilla acerca de sus navegadores &#171; Noticias Aledb12</title>
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		<dc:creator>Críticas entre Microsoft y Mozilla acerca de sus navegadores &#171; Noticias Aledb12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] El enfado de Mike Shaver, trabajador de Mozilla Foundation, ha venido a raíz de que las vulnerabilidades mostradas acerca de Firefox son muy superiores a las de Internet Explorer en todo momento, igual que se dice que Firefox ha tenido que arreglar más problemas, y por lo tanto es más inseguro. También porque ese informe puede haber sido elaborado desde un punto de vista totalmente subjetivo. A causa de todo ello, ha acusado a Jeff Jones de hacer el informe como si fuese un simple estudiante, y no un jefe de seguridad. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] El enfado de Mike Shaver, trabajador de Mozilla Foundation, ha venido a raíz de que las vulnerabilidades mostradas acerca de Firefox son muy superiores a las de Internet Explorer en todo momento, igual que se dice que Firefox ha tenido que arreglar más problemas, y por lo tanto es más inseguro. También porque ese informe puede haber sido elaborado desde un punto de vista totalmente subjetivo. A causa de todo ello, ha acusado a Jeff Jones de hacer el informe como si fuese un simple estudiante, y no un jefe de seguridad. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Windox &#187; Relatório da Microsoft diz que o IE é mais seguro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Windox &#187; Relatório da Microsoft diz que o IE é mais seguro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] entidade, diz que o erro central do estudo é confundir mais correções com menos segurança. Em seu blog, Shaver cutuca o [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] entidade, diz que o erro central do estudo é confundir mais correções com menos segurança. Em seu blog, Shaver cutuca o [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: De Tudo Um Pouco &#187; E eu deveria ficar surpreso? Relatório da MS diz que o IE é mais seguro</title>
		<link>http://shaver.off.net/diary/2007/11/30/counting-still-easy-critical-thinking-still-surprisingly-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-116374</link>
		<dc:creator>De Tudo Um Pouco &#187; E eu deveria ficar surpreso? Relatório da MS diz que o IE é mais seguro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] entidade, diz que o erro central do estudo é confundir mais correções com menos segurança. Em seu blog, Shaver cutuca o [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: t e c h i e - t a l k s ::: technology at its best &#187; Mozilla Firefox vs. Microsoft IE &#8212; It&#8217;s heating up!</title>
		<link>http://shaver.off.net/diary/2007/11/30/counting-still-easy-critical-thinking-still-surprisingly-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-116372</link>
		<dc:creator>t e c h i e - t a l k s ::: technology at its best &#187; Mozilla Firefox vs. Microsoft IE &#8212; It&#8217;s heating up!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] a rebuttal to the report, Mike Shaver has something this to say.  &#8220;Just because dentists fix more teeth in America doesn&#8217;t [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a rebuttal to the report, Mike Shaver has something this to say.  &#8220;Just because dentists fix more teeth in America doesn&#8217;t [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jon Lennart Aasenden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Lennart Aasenden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The first thing that came into my mind with regards to this matter, was a real-life, obsolete dinosaur. Microsoft seem to have finally reached it&#039;s evolutionary dead-end. Open-Source is immune to the fangs of capitalism, it&#039;s really that simple. The men in charge of Microsoft represents an era of thought that is becomming more and more alien to our time-frame. They are, to be blunt, stuck in the late 80&#039;s, early 90&#039;s mentality where quantity was always better than quality. It&#039;s like listening to a russian propaganda broadcast from the cold-war.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have serious doubts that the current CEO of Microsoft have the abillity, or even the mental capacity to integrate the company into the new values that society fosters. They look more and more like a raging dinosaur that havent understood that it&#039;s already dead. By eating it&#039;s own population beyond the environments abillity to recover -it has effectively made itself instinct. Somthing the Mozilla logo fittingly reminds it of..&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing that came into my mind with regards to this matter, was a real-life, obsolete dinosaur. Microsoft seem to have finally reached it&#8217;s evolutionary dead-end. Open-Source is immune to the fangs of capitalism, it&#8217;s really that simple. The men in charge of Microsoft represents an era of thought that is becomming more and more alien to our time-frame. They are, to be blunt, stuck in the late 80&#8217;s, early 90&#8217;s mentality where quantity was always better than quality. It&#8217;s like listening to a russian propaganda broadcast from the cold-war.</p>

<p>I have serious doubts that the current CEO of Microsoft have the abillity, or even the mental capacity to integrate the company into the new values that society fosters. They look more and more like a raging dinosaur that havent understood that it&#8217;s already dead. By eating it&#8217;s own population beyond the environments abillity to recover -it has effectively made itself instinct. Somthing the Mozilla logo fittingly reminds it of..</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: George Ou mobile edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Ou mobile edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] up in this spat is Mozilla&#8217;s Mike Shaver who says flaw count is misleading since Microsoft hides patches in service packs.  That&#8217;s a really silly argument since there hasn&#8217;t been a Microsoft Windows desktop [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up in this spat is Mozilla&#8217;s Mike Shaver who says flaw count is misleading since Microsoft hides patches in service packs.  That&#8217;s a really silly argument since there hasn&#8217;t been a Microsoft Windows desktop [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: tincerbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>tincerbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would like to see how Opera does compaired to both IE and Mozilla&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see how Opera does compaired to both IE and Mozilla</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mele20</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mele20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You didn&#039;t comment on Jones&#039;s remarks regarding Mozilla dropping support for earlier versions of Fx so quickly, whereas, IE6 is still supported and even IE 5.5 for W2000SP4.  I use Fx 1.5 and I have no support from Mozilla for security fixes. I think that is awful. I don&#039;t like 2.0 (which I do run on a virtual machine and dislike using that machine because it doesn&#039;t have 1.5 which I LOVE). I will try 3.0 but I probably won&#039;t use it. 1.5 is my choice for several important reasons and I think Mozilla should show the sort of respect toward people like myself who have good reasons for using 1.5 as Microsoft has toward W2000 users and XP users. If Microsoft is smart they will not force IE7 as part of XP SP3 and will support IE 6 for a long time. Mozilla should do the same as far as security patches go.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I started out with Phoenix and Mozilla many years ago because of TBE. TBE doesn&#039;t work well on 2.0 although I have cobbled together fixes with the help of other TBE lovers for whom, like myself, FX is TBE basically so that it does work on 2.0 but not smoothly as it does on 1.5. I don&#039;t care about the new features in 2.0 or the many privacy violations that were introduced in 2.0 and had me spending hours fixing all those. SeaMonkey still supports TBE beautifully (and TBE works on SuiteMonkey 2.01aPRE also) so I use it more now. There is really not a lot of reasons to use Fx without TBE. There are many users out there who have reasons for why they use an earlier version of Fx or use IE6 on XP instead of IE7. I think Mozilla should still be supporting security fixes for 1.5 as 2.0 is a radical departure in many ways from every version before it and not everyone welcomes that.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t comment on Jones&#8217;s remarks regarding Mozilla dropping support for earlier versions of Fx so quickly, whereas, IE6 is still supported and even IE 5.5 for W2000SP4.  I use Fx 1.5 and I have no support from Mozilla for security fixes. I think that is awful. I don&#8217;t like 2.0 (which I do run on a virtual machine and dislike using that machine because it doesn&#8217;t have 1.5 which I LOVE). I will try 3.0 but I probably won&#8217;t use it. 1.5 is my choice for several important reasons and I think Mozilla should show the sort of respect toward people like myself who have good reasons for using 1.5 as Microsoft has toward W2000 users and XP users. If Microsoft is smart they will not force IE7 as part of XP SP3 and will support IE 6 for a long time. Mozilla should do the same as far as security patches go.  </p>

<p>I started out with Phoenix and Mozilla many years ago because of TBE. TBE doesn&#8217;t work well on 2.0 although I have cobbled together fixes with the help of other TBE lovers for whom, like myself, FX is TBE basically so that it does work on 2.0 but not smoothly as it does on 1.5. I don&#8217;t care about the new features in 2.0 or the many privacy violations that were introduced in 2.0 and had me spending hours fixing all those. SeaMonkey still supports TBE beautifully (and TBE works on SuiteMonkey 2.01aPRE also) so I use it more now. There is really not a lot of reasons to use Fx without TBE. There are many users out there who have reasons for why they use an earlier version of Fx or use IE6 on XP instead of IE7. I think Mozilla should still be supporting security fixes for 1.5 as 2.0 is a radical departure in many ways from every version before it and not everyone welcomes that.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: LinuX</title>
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		<dc:creator>LinuX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;spankings for IE. its swiss cheese as far as i&#039;m concerned. Hail to Mozilla!!&lt;/p&gt;
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