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	<title>Comments on: the maturity of writing your own</title>
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		<title>By: Lukas Ramach</title>
		<link>http://shaver.off.net/diary/2005/11/17/the-maturity-of-writing-your-own/comment-page-1/#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukas Ramach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Basicly i can agree with you about this topic at the current point of development, except for the part where you imply that no one outside mozilla-development understands the startup code.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But what about the ones who use Mozilla as a plattform for years? I get really big headaches when i think about migrating to XUL-Runner from the Mozilla-Suite code base (I have to admit that the headach regarding switching to Firefox is no less). And yes i need hooks in the startup code that XUL-Runner does not provide (at least on first review) e.g. changing the app icon with the MS-Windows hook for all App-Windows (no the id switch is not sufficent for me).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And of course there is always the problem to get the acceptance to use a beta software as a base of a final product...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But nevertheless i hope that XUL-Runner will clean up the mess.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basicly i can agree with you about this topic at the current point of development, except for the part where you imply that no one outside mozilla-development understands the startup code.</p>

<p>But what about the ones who use Mozilla as a plattform for years? I get really big headaches when i think about migrating to XUL-Runner from the Mozilla-Suite code base (I have to admit that the headach regarding switching to Firefox is no less). And yes i need hooks in the startup code that XUL-Runner does not provide (at least on first review) e.g. changing the app icon with the MS-Windows hook for all App-Windows (no the id switch is not sufficent for me).</p>

<p>And of course there is always the problem to get the acceptance to use a beta software as a base of a final product&#8230;</p>

<p>But nevertheless i hope that XUL-Runner will clean up the mess.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks so much for posting this great read.Danieal seems like he knows what he is talking about most of the time but ti seems he is a bit off on that last passage. Either way like how you pointed out the stupid tax and I hope that we will never have to pay it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for posting this great read.Danieal seems like he knows what he is talking about most of the time but ti seems he is a bit off on that last passage. Either way like how you pointed out the stupid tax and I hope that we will never have to pay it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Attention Stream &#187; shaver » the maturity of writing your own</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attention Stream &#187; shaver » the maturity of writing your own</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] shaver » the maturity of writing your own [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: J Wynia</title>
		<link>http://shaver.off.net/diary/2005/11/17/the-maturity-of-writing-your-own/comment-page-1/#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>J Wynia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for that. I&#039;m amazed when people say, &quot;neither of these really solves my problems, but I&#039;ll go with the one that solves it the least because of this one minor issue&quot;. I&#039;ve been messing with XULRunner and it&#039;s at least as mature as Mozilla itself was when we all jumped on board that particular train. Most of the issues I&#039;ve had have come from trying to run code that expects to be inside the Firefox or Thunderbird environment and suddenly isn&#039;t, so junk breaks.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for that. I&#8217;m amazed when people say, &#8220;neither of these really solves my problems, but I&#8217;ll go with the one that solves it the least because of this one minor issue&#8221;. I&#8217;ve been messing with XULRunner and it&#8217;s at least as mature as Mozilla itself was when we all jumped on board that particular train. Most of the issues I&#8217;ve had have come from trying to run code that expects to be inside the Firefox or Thunderbird environment and suddenly isn&#8217;t, so junk breaks.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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